User Acquisition and Product Execution with Charles Read – Transcript

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Nye : Today I’m with my man Charles Read. He is the homie from all over the world we’ve been hanging out. We’ve been hanging out in Asian and a couple of other places as well. He knew me far before I was even Chill Nye and we chatted online and had a good time together trading and things like that back in the day.

Nye : And yeah. Today we’re going to get on. We’re going to discuss a little bit about acquiring users, sustaining users, and what the problem is between what the current technology is and where it needs to be in order to get more adoption. So, my man Charlie, what up? How you doing, bro?

Charles Reed : Nye man, good to be here. Thanks so much for having me.

Nye : Yeah. I’m glad you’re on man, I’m glad you’re on. And yeah, you want to just start off by introducing yourself? Sharing a little bit about your background. What you’re doing in the space currently and how you got into crypto.

Charles Reed : Yeah. Sure, man. So I’ve been in crypto for about two years, two and a half years. Not an OG at all. But I have my roots in blockchain for sure now. Before I came into the space I was head hunting for defense and government companies. But I was head hunting senior technologists. So, mostly in cyber security. Helping them find very senior people for cyber security divisions companies like BAE Systems, Northrop Grumman, and some others. So always had a big interest in technology but I’m not highly technical enough to code. At least I’m too lazy, maybe, or I can’t stay focused enough for code.

Charles Reed : So, yeah. Always had an interest in it but I could never really break through to the technology space enough to build a career from it until I found blockchain. And I really feel in love with the space and the communities that kind of have grown inside it.

Nye : Hell yeah, brother. Dope. And what are you currently working on? I know that we’ve chatted a lot over the last couple of month but we’ve been missing a couple times.

Charles Reed : We’ve been busy.

Nye : Yeah. Been crazy busy. Both been hustling. So what are you currently working on, man?

Charles Reed : So a couple of things. One is my company Servamps which is a consultancy and an accelerator model. So we do some small investments mostly into seed stage, really early projects, cutting edge, good token economies. We help people build token economic models that are built to last and that are hard to disrupt. That’s really important. And our primary focus is user acquisition and retention as well. I think that that’s a huge problem in the space at the moment is so many of these projects have amazing ideas but they don’t know how to convert that into customers and sustained user bases. So, Servamps is focused on that.

Charles Reed : And then the other thing I’m working on, which we’ll talk a little bit more about later. I know you’re familiar with Kyle who’s a founder. But I’m working on a project called Master Ventures which is an accelerator and a advisory group based in Thailand. And they’re working on some really cool stuff. They’re doing a DAO focused structure where they’ll do a profit share. Everything is going to be on smart contract. The lawyer has said, “Please refer to the smart contract for a bunch of this stuff.”

Charles Reed : So it’s going to be really cutting edge. I’m really looking forward to learning more about that and working on that as well. And I’m hoping you can come and hang out with us, man.

Nye : Bro. I’m already planning it man. I should be out there in the middle of February which should be pretty cool. So I’m going to come kick it with you guys. We’re going to have a good time.

Charles Reed : Hell yeah, man. I mean, Ko Pha-ngan is a great island anyway. But there’s so many smart people there at the moment. And they just keep coming and going and yeah. There’s just a really good vibe there. Everyone is learning. Everyone is grinding and just trying to build something cool. Yeah if anyone else who’s listening interested in learning more about that just hit me or Nye up and we’re happy to share.

Nye : Yeah. For anybody who doesn’t know, we’re talking about our buddy Kyle. He bought a resort out there and he’s name it Cryptopia. It’s a 40 villa resort on Ko Pha-ngan in Thailand. And it’s all dedicated to being a full blown incubator for crypto start ups. And helping companies, I don’t know. Maybe you can explain it better, Charlie. Helping companies get ready for their next stages, or what?

Charles Reed : I think the main focus around Master Ventures is building decentralized technology which it truly decentralized. There’s no hybrid solutions. It’s really focused on creating new economies which are self empowering to the users. Using blockchains to reward participation as well as just earning money. Creating new ways for people to earn money and reward value.

Charles Reed : Kyle is very passionate about decentralization. So the DAO structure is really important to him which is why we’re building a DAO. And, yeah. I mean, we’ll be making investments. Kyle is an investor. He’s a very serious investor. He’s been investing in big projects for many years. He was early investor in ShapeShift, in Storch, a bunch of other exchanges. Won’t talk too much about them but there are many. And yeah, will be continuing to make investments.

Charles Reed : But the main focus is around true decentralization.

Nye : Hell yeah man. I love it. I love it. So you and I both have, I would say, we have a similar expertise in the industry. We both vibe with each other in terms of marketing and that kind of mind set around the things that are being built today. So let’s get into it.

Nye : What do you see is the main problem right now? What’s the main problem with the overall industry and why aren’t we getting more adoption?

Charles Reed : Sure. Well, there’s a few things going on. And there’s obviously the underlying concept that kind of brings adoption is almost always fueled by money initially> So we had this huge bull run. Loads of people came in and then loads of people got wiped out. And that was really good that that happened. And the most important thing is now that we use the ground that’s left after the bomb went off over the past 18 months, well 12 months when everything has just been going down and down and down. Now we’re kind of … I’d say we’re nearly flattening out and we can actually just start to build properly now. And in a different way. In a different way.

Charles Reed : I’m sure you agree. I’m sure everyone listening agrees. 100 million ICOs 50 million dollar ICOs. They’re just not necessary. We’re seeing now a change for people to do more fair raises. To use things like DICO structure where they can control funding to the teams. We’ve seen, Mac did some amazing work on ICOs that solved their eETH. And it’s amazing how many of them solved it in December when it’s 80 bucks.

Charles Reed : Yeah, and I think it’s a big problems slowly. We’re reaching this point now where we can start to build things that are really rock solid. And I do think there’s some shifts in thinking that we still need. We need to move towards getting people to use technology without knowing they’re using it. It’s just really important.

Nye : Agreed, man. Agreed. I mean, I think that’s one of the big things is like when I’m using, I don’t know, Facebook or even just a text message. I can text you. I can text anyone in the world very, very easily and very, very simply. But I don’t need to know how the whole process is working. I don’t know how the whole process is working. I don’t know anything about that. And I think that’s the problem right now. There’s a couple solutions I’ve seen recently that are really interesting but, for example, the people who are still needing to utilize private and public keys. I can’t explain to my grandma that she needs to copy this 20 plus letter phrase in order to send me Bitcoin. She’s not going to get that shit.

Charles Reed : Absolutely man. And I think we are seeing … Well, we are and we aren’t. Some companies should have done this two years ago. They should have created front end solutions. Very simple highly user friendly that you don’t need to know your private key. You just have a password and then there’s associations with your private keys. And they build front end solutions for a back end problem, right? And LTO Network have done this really well.

Charles Reed : LTO Network just finished their ICO but the cap was like five and a half million. They’ve already launched their main net. They’ve already launched their wallet. And if anyone wants to see I think the website is, I think. Or We’ll find it after.

Charles Reed : But it’s got a really simple solution. It’s got a bridge for converting your tokens. I don’t know Nye if you did any took swaps last year. But there was a Ion, SophiaTX, there was a bunch of token swaps last year. And they were so horrible. So many people had trouble. So many people lost their tokens. They’re just not very user friendly.

Charles Reed : And LTO Network have created a bridge which has made it extremely easy, much more user friendly than the EOS or the SophiaTX main net swaps were. And yeah, this is the kind of think I want to see more. Just makes everything so much easier. And it makes people more comfortable to come in as well.

Nye : Yeah. I think that’s a huge problem, man. I mean, if we’re even just talking about swaps. I know so many of my buddies that show up two weeks after the swap and haven’t done anything about it and completely lost their tokens. But yeah. Simplicity is the major issue here. And I think user interfaces is a huge problem. You know what I mean? I think we see some mobile apps that are doing it well in terms of mobile wallets and things like that.

Nye : But there hasn’t been one solution that I’ve seen yet where I say, “Wow. This is it. This is what needs-“

Charles Reed : This is the one.

Nye : Yeah. This is the one. This is going to change everything.

Nye : And I think that’s kind of what we were were talking about in the beginning. That’s kind of what the next maybe twelve plus, or around those, is that month time period is going to be used for. Like you said we had this huge blow off the top at the end of 2017 beginning of 2018. People freaked out for eight months after that wondering what to do with their investments. How much they should sell. Things like that. And now we’re seeing that it’s time to be building. It’s time to be creating.

Charles Reed : Sure. Sure. And I think, I mean, maybe unpopular opinion or maybe not. Who knows, I can’t tell anymore. It’s so hard to tell, Twitter. But I do think that 99% of these tokens still have absolutely no need to be there and I think that’s a big problem to. But, that’s not going to go away overnight. There’s probably going to be a five year period, maybe longer. There will always be with the way you create tokens so easy there’s always going to be that problem. But I think it’s important that companies are raising less money. They’re focusing more on product delivery and actually user experience because, like you said, you haven’t found a wallet solution yet that you’re like, “Oh this is perfect.” And we do need people to start building, not perfect products, but ones that are actually fun to use or actually feel comfortable to use.

Charles Reed : Because if you install a mobile app from app store and you open it. And you don’t like it within 15 seconds, you’re probably doing to uninstall it and never use it again. And we need to feel the same way about DAPS. And I think we need to be making more DAPS as well. People were building blockchains and, you know, blockchain 2.0, blockchain 3.0.

Charles Reed : So I use this example that it’s like people were building loads of cities last year but they weren’t building any shops or there was nothing in them. There’s just a bunch of blockchains now with nothing on them. And it just seems so pointless. And what I’d like to see is, yeah. Okay. We’re not ready for the world changing DAPS yet. But I would like to see people actually making an effort to build them because the quality of DAPS at the minute is really poor. And until we see some real pushes in DAPS, this thing is just going to drag its feet for the next few years.

Nye : Yeah. And we need to see DAPS that actually need to be decentralized. I’ve seem a lot of DAPS that are just like, “Why isn’t this just an app on the app store.” It doesn’t need to be decentralized. It doesn’t need to be whatever.

Charles Reed : And it would run better as a centralized solution. Now, Augur is what I wanted to talk about. Augur is good. WAX. I don’t know if you know WAX but WAX is good. It has a clear use case. You buy skins for games. I think it’s pretty clear. It’s one of the highest used blockchains in the world. High as TX. So WAX is a good one.

Charles Reed : But yeah, I’m just not seeing many. I think Augur is a good one. And VEIL, obviously VEIL just came out. But, we do. We need to see some really good ones. And we need to see ones, that like you said, need to actually be decentralized or benefit from being decentralized.

Nye : What do you like about WAX and Augur? What are the things that you look at and you’re like, “Oh. This is why we need these things decentralized? Or this is why they’re succeeding or should succeed?

Charles Reed : Sure. So I mean, I don’t want to mix up why I like them and whether their necessary. Because Augur is great but I don’t think it runs well. I think it’s really difficult to set up to ask a question and to actually use. Now, it’s not very user friendly in my opinion. But, I do think it needs to be decentralized because it’s an opinion protocol. So if you ask, now, this is where there’s political problems and stuff like that. When you say “You’re voting on whether Trump will be reelected.” But then, you can ask on Augur, “Is Trump going to be assassinated?” Not you can’t do that on a centralized system. And stuff like that it just it gives anonymity to asking and answering questions. You get a way more …

Nye : So a lack of censorship?

Charles Reed : Yes. It’s a censorship thing. But it also generates a more accurate picture because people with be more honest because they can’t be censored and they can’t be criticized for what they’re doing. So I think opinion protocols like that, it is a good use case.

Charles Reed : As for WAX, I think, I don’t know if you’ve ever been a gamer are bought and sold skins. But yeah, I mean, as a … I’m not too familiar with WAX to be honest. I just know that it has a lot of transactions on and is a clear use case that tokes are used to trade assets from in game exchange. So it’s basically just and exchange for items in games. But clear use case. But again, I mean, WAX looks okay but the token itself is not a good investment. It’s good utility. It has a good utility. And that’s a definition people need to make as well.

Nye : Agreed, man. I think that’s been one of the confusing things with the whole ICO phase last year is everybody was just buying ICOs to get rich real quick. Nobody was buying them because they wanted to use the token.

Charles Reed : Well, yeah. Or the product. Absolutely.

Nye : Exactly. Exactly. And I think that’s what I’m interested in seeing what happens next with STOs and the possibility of dual token models like you’re discussing a little bit. What’s your opinion on the ICO realm? Do you think ICOs are still going to survive? How about STOs and things like that?

Charles Reed : Yeah. I’m really excited about this actually. And while I don’t claim to have all the answers, I think we won’t see the death of the ICO. Everyone thinks that … Well, not everyone. A lot of people think ICOs are completely dead. They’re going to be replaced by STOs. I don’t think that’s the case. I think the quality of ICOs is going to go way up. The bad ICOs just won’t raise any money at all. They will still exist. They will still mint useless tokens. But STOs will be a huge talking point this year. But we’re three to five years off having the infrastructure to actually say that the STO, the security token market is there and fluid. The infrastructure is just not in place yet. It’s going to take a long time.

Charles Reed : But I do like STOs because they are what ICOs, some ICOs, should have been. Is profit share or revenue share tokens is what a lot of people kind of thought they were buying with these ICOs. They thought, “Oh. This company is partnered with ten governments so the token is going to do a 10X.” But the token had no relevance to the business. So, it was a case of speculation and pure speculation. Whereas when you buy a security token you can see financial plans. You can see revenue streams. You can actually look at, hey. This is the money I’m going to get back from buying this token. And that’s going to be good for a certain class of investor.

Charles Reed : As for the ICO market, I think what we’ll see more now is decentralized ICOs, which I’m really excited about. People being able to control the flow of funds to a team based on performance. This is a great, an amazing technique. You lock up the eETH in a smart contract, eETH for example, in a smart contract. And then what you would do is if the company hit their targets or their milestones or their roadmap targets, you can then vote on the chain whether you release the funds, or whether you release half of them, or whether you revoke them and refund the investors.

Charles Reed : And I think the market is wisening up and will start to, hopefully we’ll see some bid decentralized ICOs soon. Because I think that’s where the market is headed. And I think security and censorship resistance is going to play a big part in the ICO market moving forward.

Nye : That’s dope dude. I actually haven’t heard of that, yet. That’s really cool. Sounds like Decred. I mean, not the same a Decred But I just got off an interview with the guys over at Decred and they’ve got a very similar model where … Well, they didn’t do any raising. But what they do do is they have the community vote upon where their funding should be. And their whole funding model is based upon ten percent of the mining rewards from each block actually go into a fund that is voted on where that fund is used for development purposes.

Charles Reed : It’s a really cool aspect. Again, the whole DAO model of decentralized, autonomous, having voting mechanisms, where this is what the vision is for Master Ventures, right? Is people can vote where the money is going. The profit share from the fund will go into a pot. We can vote where it goes. And, that model … I really like Decred. Decred is a very community led project and they do have decentralization at their core. And I think that’s what we need to see more of. If ICOs are going to continue, which I think they are, there will really be not much room for average quality ICOs. They just won’t raise any money.

Charles Reed : But there will be ICOs, probably dICOs coming out in the next 18 months which will shake the world up because they’ll be completely anonymous. They’ll be running decentralized to the extent where the investors control everything that happens. And that’s definitely the right direction for ICOs in my opinion.

Nye : I love it. I absolutely love it. So, switching gears a little bit over to Servamps. You guys help companies with marketing and advisory and things beyond that as well. And I think the thing that we can really agree on is most of these companies struggle so much with marketing. And it doesn’t even need to be called marketing People on social media might not like the term marketing. But even exposure. They struggle with being able to communicate to their audience or communicate to any audience what they’re doing and why it’s relevant to the space.

Charles Reed : Oh 100%, yeah. I see it as every kind of point that you can make in this world, every sentence you can say can be said in 100 different ways. And it needs to be said in different ways to different groups of people. And I think one thing you do really well is you know what audiences need to hear what message. And a lot of ICOs don’t understand that. They are often led by technologists who don’t know how to speak to the end user. They’re speaking to themselves. And a lot of people speak to themselves when they’re trying to sell a product because they thing, “Ph. This is why I’d want to see if I was using it.”

Charles Reed : But I think what you do well is you understand the different types of audience and how to communicate with them. And that really helps to create buy in from them audiences. And that results in user acquisition, which is what Servamps is focused on is driving and retaining users. Because you could have the best technology in the world but if you can’t get people to use it, it’s just a waste.

Nye : Agreed. 100% agreed. And, I mean, you know this. I know this. And I think the audience should know it. It’s all about story telling, man. It’s all about story telling. It’s all about understanding your audience. Who is your audience. Why are they going to like it. And what was are they going to use it. Man, I mean, I can’t tell you and I’m sure you know. I can’t tell you how many of these developers that I talk to that are just completely clueless about the fact that I read their website, the first sentence on their website, and I have no idea what they’re doing. I have no clue and no concept.

Charles Reed : Yeah. And that’s fine because they’re developers and they’re doing amazing stuff. We’re really happy to have some of these developers doing what they’re doing. But it’s just important they have people like yourself and like Servamps who can just explain it in a more compelling way to a wider audience.

Charles Reed : But this applies for no technical stuff too, right? This applies for normal stuff. Even if you know what it does, how do you get users on the platform. And I think we’ve seen the past couple of months we’ve seen some really good marketing campaigns from Beaxy exchange, Beaxy has just been crushing it. On social media, they’ve been crushing it because they know what the people want and they know how to get them to talk about it. So they’ve turned their audience into their biggest advocate.

Charles Reed : So the people who are going to use the exchange, they’re always your biggest sales team. And Beaxy have created a huge sales team. And I really like that. I’ve been watching that and I really like watching these kind of campaigns. Which is just awesome to see.

Nye : I love it. Yeah. Beaxy are good friends of mine and those guys, I mean, they know how to do it, man. They know how to do it. They’re absolutely killing it.

Charles Reed : Absolutely. I just, I want to see more of that. That signifies to me a change in thinking from exchanges and just how people engage their audience and how they keep them engaged.

Nye : So, what kind of projects or if you have any specific examples, what projects are not doing that well and why aren’t they doing that well?

Charles Reed : Yeah. Rootstock had not the best launch. They launched the same time as Grin. They didn’t really do any marketing at all which is really surprising because they raised 300 million dollars and they didn’t do a public ICO either. But that really impacted the price of the launch. I haven’t seen any marketing from them. They don’t seem to be interested in the fact that normal retail people will use the product as well. Probably more than anyone else. They seem very disconnected from their audience. And it’s a real shame because it’s a great project.

Nye : Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. I was very surprised to see … I didn’t even know they launched until a few days after their launch when someone mentioned the price had gone down. I was like, “Oh that’s you?” I’ve been following it for a while. For those that don’t know Rootstock is pretty much building smart contracts on the blockchain, or on the Bitcoin blockchain is a very simple explanation of it. And it’s a great concept. Really cool idea. But they’re just not attacking it well.

Charles Reed : Yeah. And this is five years in the making. And it’s just a shame to launch in a way like that. I mean, yeah. You asked for examples and to be honest with you dude, nearly every project which launched just feels kind of shoddy. Apart from the ones I mentioned earlier like Steem is good, actually. I didn’t mention Steem. Steem is good. It does what it says. It feels like Reddit but you get paid to write there. So Steem did well which shows on the transactions and the chain activity. MetaMask has got better. But again, five years … I mean, MetaMask is a good few years old now. And I really like Kyber Network. Kyber Network did something right official.

Charles Reed : And again, I mean I don’t want anyone to think that because I’m talking about these projects I think the tokes are valuable, because I don’t. The tokes are utility tokens. They have no relation to how good the project is or how good the company is. That’s where you invest in STOs and you get revenue share. Or you look for different token models which the price is affected by the companies success. But, Kyber Network is very user friendly. And it looks good. It feels good. KeiberSwap looks good. And they really understood how to communicate to their audience. So yeah, I do like Kyber Network as well.

Charles Reed : But I don’t know if you have any examples. But pretty much everything that released last year has been a little bit disappointing to be honest.

Nye : No. I agree man, I agree. It’s been a little bit beyond just a little bit disappointing. So, As we kind of wrap this up and we get close to the end here, what do you see is the main form that adoption is going to occur in? Are you more pro for gaming or voting platforms or things like that? What’s kind of your vision? What do you see with the next five years or whatever.

Charles Reed : Maybe unpopular opinion here. But I don’t think that blockchain adoption looks how people think. I think blockchain for the next few years will become like a service stack that people sell. Like Amazon sell. And it’s probably going to get shafted for a few years. It’ll just be a blockchain is a service thing. I don’t think it’s going to change the entire world overnight. I think it will create, like you say, new financial models and new financial systems. But it will take a long time.

Charles Reed : I think what we’ll see instead in the next five years is the emergence of micro economies which are focused around token models. You’ll see people living kind of off the grid using, they’ll mine and they’ll create, will have DAOs and will run things through smart contracts. And I think we’ll start to create micro economies and you’ll be able to see in games, for example, you mentioned gaming. Decentraland. This is just, this is incredible. I mean, there is a fund called Metaverse Ventures which is literally just investing in start ups inside Decentraland.

Charles Reed : Now, what’s going to happen in the next five years? Well, Metaverse Ventures just invested, I think, a million dollars into building a … They’re building Las Vegas inside Decentraland.

Nye : So for people that don’t know before you keep going, what is Decentraland?

Charles Reed : Decentraland is, if you guys have seen Ready Player One, which is a … Basically, these guys create a virtual reality world where there are no rules. It’s where people go to escape and they can build and they can go to work if they want. They can work. There’s digital currency in the game called mana which is the token for Decentraland. And there is also land inside the game. You can buy the land. You can build on it. And it’s yours. And you own the private keys to the land. So if someone wants to buy it from you they have to bid. And you can put your land in an Escrow and if the contract goes through then they own the land and you can’t build on it anymore.

Charles Reed : Now, with Metaverse Ventures, investing in companies who are literally building casinos inside the game, how does blockchain look in three to five years? Wow. I eman, there’s confluences with technology like VR and AR, which I just think is going to be amazing. I think we will create. We’re not going to collapse the global financial system overnight with blockchain. But we will create micro economies that will start to give us a bigger picture of how things will look in 10 or 15 years. And I think blockchain definitely helps them.

Charles Reed : But as a stand alone I think we’re a good while off. Global adoption is a funny word for me. I think it has mixed meanings for everyone but yeah. I don’t really know what that looks like. I don’t think anyone does. And I think what we should focus on instead is creating lots of small projects which will eventually lead to the bigger ones, the macro.

Nye : I love it, dude. I absolutely love it. So, before we wrap it up here is there anything else you really want to touch on about this thing? I think we covered a lot of the topics we wanted to chat about.

Charles Reed : Yeah. Absolutely. No. I think just looking forward to hanging out in Thailand, man. And getting your ideas on … Because this is everyone’s responsible for bringing adoption. And however that looks, whatever that means. Everyone has responsibility for getting the word out there. But also recommendations on how to build systems and how things should look or how things might look. It’s really important that we all contribute. And yeah, so, if any listeners want to talk about this more, I’d love to talk about it more. Ideas for the DAO and stuff like that. And I look forward to hearing yours when we’re in Thailand.

Nye : Agreed, man. Agreed. I think the final thought for me on that is there’s probably a lot of people who are around Twitter who are listening to this. Or even maybe not from Twitter but are just interested in kind of this tech talk. And I think that what you’re just saying there is really important. It’s all of our responsibility. I think there’s too many people that are sitting on the sidelines making excuses. Saying, “I don’t have the necessary skills to do this. I’m not a developer or coder.” And like myself, yourself, we don’t … I don’t code. You probably know deeper more in-depth understanding of this technology than I do.

Nye : But the fact of the matter is even though we don’t code, you and I are both adding value to the space. You’re doing some really fucking amazing things in the space and creating an ecosystem that will help it thrive in the future. And I think that’s one major thing that I just want to point out to the audience.

Nye : Don’t get limited by your thinking. Don’t get limited by what you think you can and can’t do because of your current skill set. There’s probably a place for you with your skill set to do something really fucking cool.

Charles Reed : Yeah. And I think it’s not a case of knowing how to build the systems but knowing that we need them. We need fairer systems, right? And knowing the limitations of blockchain and what we can do with it to build more fair systems. And if you know that systems need to be more fair, you can help people create them. You don’t need to be a coder. You don’t need to be a developer. You don’t need to be a marketer. You just need to know that what makes a system good. Or you need to think, “Hey. What would make a good system?’ And then share them ideas and be vocal about it. I think that’s really important to not feel limited because of your skill set. Because you can create new skill sets right now. We’re at a very key point for technology. Not just blockchain but VR, AR, webspaces, soon. We’ll have webspaces instead of websites. It’s all coming. It’s going to be a big, crazy next decade for sure. And it’s just about creating new skill sets and finding your own voice and helping build a better world for sure.

Nye : Hell yeah, bro. I fucking love that. Where can people learn more about Servamps. About Mater Ventures? Where can they follow you?

Charles Reed : Sure. Master Ventures is literally And the website just went up. If you want to talk to us you can hit us up on Twitter. Master Ventures on Twitter. Servamps, our website is not up at the moment but it will be in the next couple of weeks which is just And that is short for service amplifiers. So you can find us Servampsdlt on Twitter. And of course you can always find me on Twitter at btcread. And my DMs are always open and I’m always happy to speak to people and network and help people find careers or understand how they might be able to add value.

Charles Reed : So feel free to always hit me up.

Nye : Hell yeah, brother. Well, I’m super glad that we got to chat. I’m sure this won’t be the only chat that we have on this Podcast. I’m sure we’ll sit down again when we’re in Thailand or when there’s some more development and things like that in terms of what we’ve talked about here. And yeah, man. I appreciate you. I’m super stoked to see you in Thailand.

Charles Reed : Hey, you too man. It’s been a pleasure. Thanks so much for having me.

Nye : Of course, Of course. And as always, guys, this is ya boy Nye with another episode of the Evolvement Podcast. Talking about Bitcoin, cryptocurrency and the future of our financial systems. You can catch us next time on the next episode. Peace.

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